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Feb. 1st, 2004

Bush and Blair nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. It sounds like a joke. Fortunately, it isn't likely to come to anything.

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bryantcafe
Feb. 3rd, 2004 05:50 pm (UTC)
Your're joking, right?
It would make a mockery of the prize. How scary.
myxlostxlenore
Feb. 3rd, 2004 09:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Your're joking, right?
did his efforts not help to liberate millions of unrightfully desecrated souls and tragic lives from other words, whilst doing his job as a president to keep YOUR ever so smart ass safe from getting the fuck bombed out of you by large organizations of terrorist arab men? we're talking about a war here, that yes indeed was the very last resort, which came much too late, as we've already lost those twin towers of new york. wake the fuck up to reality, there is no conspiracy or secret wrong doings here, you should be thankful that you have a president who will do his job as one, to keep HIS PEOPLE safe, instead of bombing the fuck out of kosovo to direct attention away as he is receiving oral sex in the white house. thousands upon thousands of young, beautiful, intelligent men and sometimes women are being horribly slaugthered in a fight to keep people like YOU out of harms way. Freedom is a god given right, but it is certainly not free.
judith
Feb. 3rd, 2004 11:08 pm (UTC)
In the first place, please do not post in my journal if you are simply going to attack my point of view. Do it in public journals.

In the second place, you are SO WRONG. You know NOTHING, you ass. There is NO connection between Saddam and the attacks on the US. NO connection.

Bush is not making anything safer. He's actually making the entire world less safe for AMericans because he's breeding so much ill will. He doesn't give a shit about the Iraqi people - thousands of innocent lives have been shed there - far more than were killed in the world trade center. How the hell do you justify killing innocent people?? For what?? For nothing, is what. No weapons of mass destruction, no connection to Osama, nothing.

Bush did not go in there for humanitarian reasons. If that were his reasoning, why aren't we still in Afghanistan, protecting the women who are still being subjected to horrors you obviously have no idea of. Those people were not saved, the Iraqis are not saved, and neither are we. THere are dozens of countries around the world with "evil" dictator leaders, many of whom we have trained and continue to support. Don't kid yourself. You must live on Fox news and nothing else to be so ignorant.

And don't flatter yourself that I'll reply to any more of your stupid remarks. You are not worth it.
elizabeth_kate
Feb. 4th, 2004 11:11 am (UTC)
Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
I think this may be of interest if you haven't already picked it up.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/kaich/22817.html
judith
Feb. 4th, 2004 11:41 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
Thanks! No, hadn't seen it. He sure is a slippery one, and seems to enjoy being that way.
elizabeth_kate
Feb. 19th, 2004 04:29 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
Completely Insane.Off His Trolley.More Front Than Brighton Pier. Psychotically Unaware of His Own Mortality. He should team up with Mel (call me Jesus) Gibson.

Apropos Nothing. Remember the Autobiog.
Remember your words to the effect that it couldn't just be left there?
You were right.
No more writing to do but a few more miles to travel.
judith
Feb. 19th, 2004 06:31 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
DaMN. I wrote a reply to this but it didn't post. I hate it when that happens.

Miles to travel = places to go? Things to do? Things to think about?

As for Mel: I'll be seeing Passion next Wednesday with a group of 400 church goers. Strange but true. Could be interesting.
elizabeth_kate
Feb. 19th, 2004 07:29 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
Re 'A Few More Miles To Travel' a metaphor (unless my Doctor finds me an analyst in London or Leeds.
Re Blair - I would have liked your comments.
Re: Jesus/Mel 'Re-opens the wounds of AntiSemitism' is one critic's comment over here. Oh and the pontiff did not say he liked it or give it his blessing he said enigmatically 'It is as it was'. (That was nearly all quote) I never understood how the one mistranslated line May his blood be on us etc, was understood to be the jews alone nor did I see it as "Jews crucified Jesus." He would not have been crucified (for crimes against orthodoxy)- a strictly Roman execution. Bah! The ignorance of Christians. Bah! and Bah!
Anyway at the risk of being offensive I am tired of being guilt tripped by The Holocaust. I wasn't there and my baker wasn't at Golgotha.
judith
Feb. 19th, 2004 08:21 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
I haven't been paying attention to Blair because I'm trying to avoid these things. It just gets me all irritated. I'm irritable enough already.

here, too, are the cries of antisemitism. I've heard both sides on that one, and figure I'll decide for myself if the movie is unusually slanted that way. And of course you are right, it isn't "the jews" who crucified Christ, although you could say they collaborated. And in any case, Christ was a Jew.

Honestly, I am with you, I think, on the holocaust. The trouble with all the holocaust remembering is that so many other genocides are so conveniently forgotten. It is supposed to remind us so that we prevent them but that isn't what happens. Instead, we look at Cambodia and the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda and so on and say "but that isn't as many as were killed in the holocaust". How insane this is.

The jews are not the only persecuted group, for heaven's sake. Look at Israel. I cannot understand that for the life of me, how they will do to others what has been done to them!

about travels: I did figure it was metaphorical, which is why I asked which metaphor...or should I say a metaphor for what exactly.

elizabeth_kate
Feb. 19th, 2004 08:39 am (UTC)
Re: Blair admits he got it wrong -but not that wrong
'Look at the Israel'. I do and I think Chosen People - Master-Race-Connection?
The Metaphor is for further Journeys into a sustainable self. Alone my Identity is intact. There are enough os us to keep me and them company - but, in a crowd of other people none of us, neither od us? Knows quite how to simply BE me. Such a drag but cannot ignore it as it has had profoundly disturbing effects on my life just lately. I need a little (ha) integration to say the least. This might be an easier topic in e-mails should it arise again.

On the whole business of religion I find that apart from an ethical secular buddhism I loathe and detest Religions. Truly!

If you sent me your land address I would love to share the occasional book with you - ok so we fall out but what are friends for?



PS Politics are irritating. nuff said.
judith
Feb. 19th, 2004 10:10 am (UTC)
integration
I realize it must be one humdinger of an effort to "integrate" in your case. I have enough trouble figuring out who the hell I am, and I haven't been through what you have.

I will send you my address. It's not hard to find because I am not at all secretive about it. So far that hasn't caused me any problems.

Religions...yes. There have been times that I have felt warm and fuzzy inside, when I have for some reason attended a religious service. Not because I believe what the congregation believes, but because it seems like the people are there to let go of their uglier selves and somehow connect on a better level. I realize I'm dreaming when I think these things, but when I see the requisite hugs and blessings in an Episcopal church (is it a church? I am always forgetting the terminology and some people care) I can't help but think there is actually some love in this.

Similarly, I sense that when I dance with someone there is a connection just because we touch, that we are good for each other on some level we don't even realize.

However, I have at other times been so pissed at religious people that I feel like telling them off hugely. The person at work here who thinks I am going to Hell and who prays for me. The message I hear that if you don't believe you are amoral or immoral, have no values. Dr. Laura of talk radio fame (I doubt you can hear her over there, and you're lucky) said once that atheists have no reason to make moral or ethical decisions, that they are fundamentally immoral. On that point, I just discovered this interesting dissection of Dr Laura:

http://church.freethought.org/9812.drlaura.html

This one's good, too:

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/2003_11_21.htm

(I had been under the impression that about.com was very conservative overall, but it really does seem to embrace a wide field of subjects, and allows its guides to present their views unfettered.)

But I don't mean to be pressing links on you! I was just a little curious myself whether others had heard what I heard from Dr Laura, and they did.

I have had some disagreements with my roomie, who believes that I call myself an atheist but am not one. He recognizes that I have some kind of ethical code and somehow makes the leap, but I haven't quite figured that out.
elizabeth_kate
Feb. 19th, 2004 05:15 pm (UTC)
Re: integration
Dancing - Oh definitely - my religion is always best expressed in Music - Lost in Beethoven's Missa Solemnis or in some primitive congrgational Gospel. When I hear the latter (and have attended) I wonder who these people are who get so hot n bothered over a bloody film (in both senses it would seem ) Jesus must have been a great sensualist. (Last temptation of Christ was impressive) I am Grateful for the LINKS. I love sharing links - look at my links bar! (HUGGNSMILE)
My ID is ok solong as I don't have to express it...then I find myself watching and looking and producing to please - not in writing or online but in those brushes one has with 'society'.
Bugger society.
There is a very good 'Listen again' prog on Atheism - on bbc radio 4 I'll see if I can track it down tomorrow. Very good the old beeb. Not even bruised now - alas neither is bleagh. Ho Hum.
xx
Kim
play33rpm
Feb. 19th, 2004 07:28 pm (UTC)
Re: integration
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/speech/nightwaves.shtml

There you go explore gambol have fun
(Anonymous)
Feb. 20th, 2004 05:08 am (UTC)
bbc philosphy
On Night Waves (bbc Link) Also link on In Our Time on my LINKS on LJ

Kim
elizabeth_kate
Feb. 20th, 2004 05:03 am (UTC)
Re: integration
I love the Links - atta gal Laura!
and NOT only in America.

My pet love-to-hate-Dr

is Dr Ruth Oi! and VEY!

About com is OK though it does need to be caught on a good day.

Did you get my bbc links ok. I was dog tired and enjoying a sicillian Red at the time.

Please remind me of your personal (active) e mail address once more. wherever this comes from I'm using kaich@ntlworld.com for FRIENDS.

I am having to think - begin to think (made my mind up really) about having the silicone out.

(wonder if, once out I could sell them on Ebay? They are guaranteed for 15 years - hmmm though probably not transferable. - Excuse tacky Humour)

Better delete this one?

:-)

Love and X

Kim

kaich@ntlworld.com

pps did you send your land address?

Mine is

5 Montague Street
Mansfield Notts
NG18 2PL
England
United Kingdom
(Anonymous)
Feb. 20th, 2004 05:10 am (UTC)
did I say Mon is the Night Waves and so on - that the others are also Good as is link to BBC's 'In Our Time

Apols if I am duplicate posting
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