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A couple of pictures from where I was last night. Paul and I walked to the Graduate, the nightclub just down and across the tracks from where I live. The floor was covered with tables of people from different groups - SLO Dems, Obama clubs, Drinking Liberally (my group), and more. All liberal groups. Against the wall were a few tables of people who had gone there to celebrate birthdays or just have dinner. They soon realized their mistake.

The moment the announcement was made that Obama had been elected the room erupted. I wished I had thought to bring my little camera, with the video capability, so I could get the sound. I'm not so good with that with my phone but could have used that, just forgot.

I can't remember the last time I was so excited, so happy. Then this morning I learned that proposition 2 (protecting farm animals from the worst caged living) passed with a huge majority (63%) in spite of the tons of money on the other side. I am sad about prop 8 (marriage defined as man & woman) passing but there will be other times to fix that.  I agree with Paul that the state's constitution should not be able to be changed by a simple majority, but there it is right now.

My own analysis is that Obama made no wrong steps. He knew where he was going and how to get there. He was careful to give credit where it was due and careful to be inclusive. That's why he wasn't an attack dog and I think he was right to go that way.

I hope fervently that I hear no more about Sarah Palin. Ever.

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madame_ugly
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Damn. California voters care more about FARM ANIMALS then their fellow man.

Now THERE'S a slap in the face.

judith
Nov. 5th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
That's an unfair assumption. What really happened is that the voters had a chance to understand the farm animal legislation but not the so-called "in defense of marriage" one.

The pro-prop 8 people dealt in outright lies to get votes. They made up a ton of outrageous lies about what would happen if the proposition failed - strange, because none of those things are happening now and the marriages have been taking place. It was a really dirty campaign and the voices for fairness and common sense had no chance.

I really have difficulty with the assumption that a vote in favor of animals somehow hurts humans.
madame_ugly
Nov. 5th, 2008 07:11 pm (UTC)
Really? There was NO information out there about "no on 8" (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm not in california so my information is all third hand--but the way I understand it, there was a large "no" contingency buying ads and such).

So the failing was on the "no" side? They were simply out gunned by the "yes" side? So the voters are completely unresponsible for trying to educate themselves (*snicker*, yeah, I can hardly type that without busting a gut--I know a lot of voters--myself included at times--are not as well educated about the issues as they could be)?

I still think it's sad that voters are willing to pass legislation for the animals (giving them more rights, so to speak) with one hand while taking rights away from their fellow man with the other. (not that I'm against the animal legislation, mind you)




judith
Nov. 5th, 2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
We are talking about approximately 14% of the voters here that voted for prop 2 and for prop 8. The difference between the two propositions. That's the number of voters who "gave animals more rights and humans fewer". Not a majority.

I didn't say there was no info on no on prop 8. But the yes campaign really was horrible and misrepresented it badly and I think that scared some of those who were on the fence. And yeah, people who don't do their homework or do a whole lot of thinking.

Please don't compare the rights of these animals with the right to marry, though. The animals can't even stand up!
madame_ugly
Nov. 5th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Ah, seeing the numbers it does put it more into perspective.

The good thing is (time to find the bright side) a lot of attention has been brought to marriage rights, so the next time something like prop 8 comes along, it might be easier to defeat it.

Now I just wonder what happens to those folks who married while it was legal. Come on, supreme court. Do what's right here.
judith
Nov. 5th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)
I'm interested in that, too, the marriages already performed. I was talking to a friend today about what recourse there is at this time. There is a conflict between provisions in the constitution - equal rights and this one - so I wonder if there are legal challenges that can take that on. I think there are enough attorneys out there who will do what can be done.

I worried, honestly, that having that on the ballot was a ruse to get the McCain supporters out. If so, it didn't work this time.

I think I'll look into this - the legal options. Heaven knows I get enough email on the subject!
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